News2 & 3

[a***@NOW.AT.arargh.com]

News3.ripco.com doesn't seem to exist, anymore.

And, News2.ripco.com is complaining about authorizations.

What's going on?

[kenji]

Post by a***@NOW.AT.arargh.com
News3.ripco.com doesn't seem to exist, anymore.
And, News2.ripco.com is complaining about authorizations.
What's going on?

nopie there is no access to news2.

I beleive I've seen this before when ripco hits it's quota with their
gignews account.

I think it usually happens more towrds the end of a month but I could be
mistaken.

if it's pron you need just ask, I'm sure there's folks here who would
share their personal stash if you have an immediate need.

[Bruce Esquibel]

***@now.at.arargh.com wrote:

: News3.ripco.com doesn't seem to exist, anymore.

: And, News2.ripco.com is complaining about authorizations.

: What's going on?


Well, news3 was just an alias for news2, which is an alias for giganews.

Think there was both because of the migration from supernews, news2 went to
giganews, news3 to supernews until the contract ran out. Or the other way
around.

Yeah, the reason news2 doesn't currently work is because we hit the quota
again, pretty early this period.

I put in an inquiry this morning to have someone look at our account and see
if any adjustment can be made without coughing up more $$$.

We really can't afford to purchase more slots.

I'm sure they'll do something, was looking over the agreement and at least I
think there should of been a bonus thing we are eligible for. Appears that
every year we renewed, we should of been kicked up 2%-3% of the monthly
quota, and with us starting the 4th year with them, should get something, if
we qualified.

The other thing is, they started an unlimited quota account, true it's for
single users not commercial but it's really lopsided to me with pricing.

We're basically paying $300 a month with a limit of 100 gigs but can open 20
connections to them at the same time.

For $24.95 a month, one can get an unlimited account (no cap on how much you
download) and can open 10 streams. So in other words, two of those accounts
for $50 beats the hell out of what we're paying. But like I said, those
cheap ones are for individuals, not commercial resale.

In any case, being they always got paid on time and in full, they better do
something. Most months we don't use the 100 gigs anyway so we're really
tossing some premium bucks their way.

So I'm expecting some word from them soon, worse case I suppose is see what
supernews will do on a new contract although I don't have a single complaint
about the service we've been getting from giganews.

-bruce
***@ripco.com

[Rob Bullock]

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:26:40 +0000 (UTC), Bruce Esquibel

Post by Bruce Esquibel
: News3.ripco.com doesn't seem to exist, anymore.
: And, News2.ripco.com is complaining about authorizations.
: What's going on?
Well, news3 was just an alias for news2, which is an alias for giganews.
Think there was both because of the migration from supernews, news2 went to
giganews, news3 to supernews until the contract ran out. Or the other way
around.
Yeah, the reason news2 doesn't currently work is because we hit the quota
again, pretty early this period.
I put in an inquiry this morning to have someone look at our account and see
if any adjustment can be made without coughing up more $$$.
We really can't afford to purchase more slots.
I'm sure they'll do something, was looking over the agreement and at least I
think there should of been a bonus thing we are eligible for. Appears that
every year we renewed, we should of been kicked up 2%-3% of the monthly
quota, and with us starting the 4th year with them, should get something, if
we qualified.
The other thing is, they started an unlimited quota account, true it's for
single users not commercial but it's really lopsided to me with pricing.
We're basically paying $300 a month with a limit of 100 gigs but can open 20
connections to them at the same time.
For $24.95 a month, one can get an unlimited account (no cap on how much you
download) and can open 10 streams. So in other words, two of those accounts
for $50 beats the hell out of what we're paying. But like I said, those
cheap ones are for individuals, not commercial resale.
In any case, being they always got paid on time and in full, they better do
something. Most months we don't use the 100 gigs anyway so we're really
tossing some premium bucks their way.
So I'm expecting some word from them soon, worse case I suppose is see what
supernews will do on a new contract although I don't have a single complaint
about the service we've been getting from giganews.

This place has great end-user pricing, maybe you can swing a good
cheap feed from them?

http://www.athenanews.com/

[Bruce Esquibel]

Rob Bullock <***@sghcrg.pbz> wrote:

: This place has great end-user pricing, maybe you can swing a good
: cheap feed from them?

: http://www.athenanews.com/

The problem with them is the same reason we left supernews for giganews.

The slots they sell for the commercial service is bandwidth locked. With
supernews we had no monthly quota, but each connection was limited to 128kb
(or 256kb, don't remember).

The problem with doing it that way was with the major binaries groups. The
headers took so long to xfer, the newsreader usually timed out. I forgot
what groups I used to test but when we had both giganews and supernews
available, I initalized the groups using both (pulled in all headers).

With the locked bandwidth, supernews took like over 4 hours where giganews
xfered twice the amount (longer retention) in like 35 minutes.

At the time, Giga was $50 a month cheaper and had faster service, so it was
logical to go with them.

With Giganews I can also put in the bandwidth limits, but don't really want
to do that. I really think we're just on an old crappy service contract that
can be upgraded without any costs.

We'll see.

-bruce
***@ripco.com

[kenji]

Post by Bruce Esquibel
We'll see.

I hope so.

I feel a need for thrice daily jerk off sessions coming up, and I can't
get enough of those .wmv files.

[Rob Bullock]

Post by kenji

Post by Bruce Esquibel
We'll see.

I hope so.
I feel a need for thrice daily jerk off sessions coming up, and I can't
get enough of those .wmv files.

You need your own newsfeed.

[cmm]

Is giganews still counting headers towards the monthly limit? If so this
could be another area for negotiation.

I have also heard good things about newshosting.com
The retention period is currently 24 days for binaries going up to 45 days
real soon.

-cary

[Bruce Esquibel]

cmm <***@ripco.com> wrote:
: Is giganews still counting headers towards the monthly limit? If so this
: could be another area for negotiation.

: I have also heard good things about newshosting.com
: The retention period is currently 24 days for binaries going up to 45 days
: real soon.

Well, maybe will look into alternatives next time. Like I said, really don't
have much to complain about with Giganews except the cap and what we're
paying for it.

Anyway, here's the story...

By the time anyone reads this (3pm or so), the service to news2 should be
back on. Basically they are changing the service to 120GB for the same
bucks per month. Not that big of a deal, but at least it isn't going to cost
us anything.

Part 2 to this story is a little more difficult to explain until I run some
tests, but there is a authentication service I can enable which basically
will force everyone to "login" to gain access.

There isn't any privacy issues involved, but it allows me to see who is using
how much of the service per month. The logic behind that is, it's not likely
the dial-up or telnet users that access news2 from the shell box are causing
any kind of problem with usage.

The usage (or the amount of it) is probably coming from the people on dsl or
cable broadband who are using ssh port forwarding via the shell box.
Although I don't care if they do, the problem is I have no way of
determining it and or who is doing it.

With enabling the authentication, besides getting the who is downloading how
much numbers, there is a way to cap their usage to a set amount, like 5 gigs
or something. Once they hit that, just them (they?) get locked out.

So it pretty much guarantees that there isn't a global system lockout again.

But it's likely the new limit of 120GB will fix the problem anyway, so I may
take a pass on setting any of this up for a while. There is a daily report I
get from them with estimations on this months usage, suppose if we are
beyond 60 gigs around the 1st of the month, which is the half way point for
the billing period, I can quickly get the authentication in place.

-bruce
***@ripco.com

[kenji]

Post by Bruce Esquibel
There isn't any privacy issues involved, but it allows me to see who is using
how much of the service per month.

Will you be able to differentitate when I'm getting one-armed midgets
pissing on each other, from the black guy's with monster penises(sp?),
from the Broadway musicals I donwload?

[a***@NOW.AT.arargh.com]

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 20:11:34 +0000 (UTC), Bruce Esquibel
<***@e4500.ripco.com> wrote:

<snip>

Post by Bruce Esquibel
By the time anyone reads this (3pm or so), the service to news2 should be
back on. Basically they are changing the service to 120GB for the same
bucks per month. Not that big of a deal, but at least it isn't going to cost
us anything.

That's nice.

Post by Bruce Esquibel
Part 2 to this story is a little more difficult to explain until I run some
tests, but there is a authentication service I can enable which basically
will force everyone to "login" to gain access.
There isn't any privacy issues involved, but it allows me to see who is using
how much of the service per month. The logic behind that is, it's not likely
the dial-up or telnet users that access news2 from the shell box are causing
any kind of problem with usage.

As long as it only logs WHO, WHEN & HOWMUCH but not WHAT or anything
else, I would not have any problems with that.

<snip>

[Bruce Esquibel]

***@now.at.arargh.com wrote:

: As long as it only logs WHO, WHEN & HOWMUCH but not WHAT or anything
: else, I would not have any problems with that.

Dunno for sure. I can't guarantee they don't keep track of who is reading
what, all I can tell you is, they don't provide anything like it to me.

Thinking about this earlier, I'd have to say it would be fairly stupid of
them to keep those kinds of logs, even for internal use only.

Just the rumor of them doing it would probably lose most of their business.

I mean, they know damn well what is sitting in storage on all those servers.
The only reason they are in biz is because of the alt.binaries.* and little
else. Pretty sure it's safe to say that no one is paying them $24.95 a month
just to have access to a years worth of rec.misc.poetry or something.

Pretty sure uploading to them is another story, those DMCA notices are
probably acted upon if injected into their servers directly. On downloading,
I don't see how even having an account name and system origin is enough to
prove anything.

Anyway, if it comes to using the login/password bit, I don't see any reason
news accounts can't be created on this end and those used to access giganews
directly. Like I'd create news1, news2, news3 entries, assign them to
specific users.

That way instead of giganews seeing ***@ripco.com going into
alt.binaries.erotica.pre-teen, it would show up as ***@ripco.com for the
user data. Since I'm the only one that would know news69=kenji, all they
would know is "it's one of our accounts".

But like I said earlier, maybe the 120GB new limit will hold things off. I
checked our stats for the past 12 months and it looks like except for this
month and february, all the other months since 8/04 we've been under the
limit, 12/04 being the lightest at 58.54 gig. The rest of the months
probably average out to 85 gig.

One other thing, the way the authentication is setup (the way it looks to me
anyway), if we did go to authentication, it appears the accounts would be
portable. Another words, rather than using your broadband to ssh and port
forward from us, you could in theory just use news.giganews.com for the
newsserver and login directly.

Not sure if that's a plus or minus.

-bruce
***@ripco.com

[kenji]

Post by Bruce Esquibel
alt.binaries.erotica.pre-teen

alt.binaries.erotica.pre-teen.octaroon.left-handed

[Matt 2]

Post by Bruce Esquibel
: As long as it only logs WHO, WHEN & HOWMUCH but not WHAT or anything
: else, I would not have any problems with that.
Dunno for sure. I can't guarantee they don't keep track of who is reading
what, all I can tell you is, they don't provide anything like it to me.
Thinking about this earlier, I'd have to say it would be fairly stupid of
them to keep those kinds of logs, even for internal use only.
Just the rumor of them doing it would probably lose most of their business.
I mean, they know damn well what is sitting in storage on all those servers.
The only reason they are in biz is because of the alt.binaries.* and little
else. Pretty sure it's safe to say that no one is paying them $24.95 a month
just to have access to a years worth of rec.misc.poetry or something.
Pretty sure uploading to them is another story, those DMCA notices are
probably acted upon if injected into their servers directly. On downloading,
I don't see how even having an account name and system origin is enough to
prove anything.
Anyway, if it comes to using the login/password bit, I don't see any reason
news accounts can't be created on this end and those used to access giganews
directly. Like I'd create news1, news2, news3 entries, assign them to
specific users.
user data. Since I'm the only one that would know news69=kenji, all they
would know is "it's one of our accounts".
But like I said earlier, maybe the 120GB new limit will hold things off. I
checked our stats for the past 12 months and it looks like except for this
month and february, all the other months since 8/04 we've been under the
limit, 12/04 being the lightest at 58.54 gig. The rest of the months
probably average out to 85 gig.
One other thing, the way the authentication is setup (the way it looks to me
anyway), if we did go to authentication, it appears the accounts would be
portable. Another words, rather than using your broadband to ssh and port
forward from us, you could in theory just use news.giganews.com for the
newsserver and login directly.
Not sure if that's a plus or minus.
-bruce

For kenji, he'd want to port forward. Otherwise they could track him by his
broadband IP even if he was using ***@ripco.com to authenticate.

[kenji]

Post by Matt 2
For kenji, he'd want to port forward. Otherwise they could track him by his

That's what I've been doing.

[Matt 2]

Post by kenji

Post by Matt 2
For kenji, he'd want to port forward. Otherwise they could track him by his

That's what I've been doing.

You don't want everybody to know you are really into left-handed octaroons,
right?

[kenji]

Post by Matt 2

Post by kenji

Post by Matt 2
For kenji, he'd want to port forward. Otherwise they could track him by his

That's what I've been doing.

You don't want everybody to know you are really into left-handed octaroons,
right?

hmmm.

I think I've been tunneling because it's the only way I can log into
ripco's giga feed cause I'm either on a DSL or a T-1 niether of which is
a ripco product.

[Matt Black]

Post by kenji

Post by Matt 2

Post by kenji

Post by Matt 2
For kenji, he'd want to port forward. Otherwise they could track
authenticate.

That's what I've been doing.

You don't want everybody to know you are really into left-handed
octaroons, right?

hmmm.
I think I've been tunneling because it's the only way I can log into
ripco's giga feed cause I'm either on a DSL or a T-1 niether of which is
a ripco product.

Yes. What he's saying is that even after NNTP authentication starts
being required on news2.ripco.com, you'll want to continue to port
forward *if* you don't want Giganews to have a record of your IP
addresses. OTOH, if you don't care that Giganews knows who you are,
you can forget about the port forwarding and connect directly to
news2.ripco.com (which is news.isp.giganews.com) with authentication.

[kenji]

Post by Matt Black

Post by kenji

Post by Matt 2

Post by kenji

Post by Matt 2
For kenji, he'd want to port forward. Otherwise they could track
authenticate.

That's what I've been doing.

You don't want everybody to know you are really into left-handed
octaroons, right?

hmmm.
I think I've been tunneling because it's the only way I can log into
ripco's giga feed cause I'm either on a DSL or a T-1 niether of which is
a ripco product.

Yes. What he's saying is that even after NNTP authentication starts
being required on news2.ripco.com, you'll want to continue to port
forward *if* you don't want Giganews to have a record of your IP
addresses. OTOH, if you don't care that Giganews knows who you are,
you can forget about the port forwarding and connect directly to
news2.ripco.com (which is news.isp.giganews.com) with authentication.

oh

I can shitcan my beloved terminal.app?

[Matt Black]

Post by kenji

Post by Matt Black

Post by kenji
I think I've been tunneling because it's the only way I can log
into ripco's giga feed cause I'm either on a DSL or a T-1 niether
of which is a ripco product.

Yes. What he's saying is that even after NNTP authentication
starts being required on news2.ripco.com, you'll want to continue
to port forward *if* you don't want Giganews to have a record of
your IP addresses. OTOH, if you don't care that Giganews knows who
you are, you can forget about the port forwarding and connect
directly to news2.ripco.com (which is news.isp.giganews.com) with
authentication.

oh
I can shitcan my beloved terminal.app?

If that's all you use it for. But it all depends on whether Bruce
decides to enable authentication on news2.

[Matt Black]

Post by Matt 2

Post by Bruce Esquibel
One other thing, the way the authentication is setup (the way it looks to me
anyway), if we did go to authentication, it appears the accounts would be
portable. Another words, rather than using your broadband to ssh and port
forward from us, you could in theory just use news.giganews.com for the
newsserver and login directly.
Not sure if that's a plus or minus.
-bruce

For kenji, he'd want to port forward. Otherwise they could track him by his

FWIW, as long as we're getting everything straight about the kitty-pr0n
access, I think the domain name to use when connecting directly is
news.isp.giganews.com (same as news2.ripco.com), not news.giganews.com.

[Murray Arnow]

Post by Bruce Esquibel
: Is giganews still counting headers towards the monthly limit? If so this
: could be another area for negotiation.
: I have also heard good things about newshosting.com
: The retention period is currently 24 days for binaries going up to 45 days
: real soon.
Well, maybe will look into alternatives next time. Like I said, really don't
have much to complain about with Giganews except the cap and what we're
paying for it.
Anyway, here's the story...
By the time anyone reads this (3pm or so), the service to news2 should be
back on. Basically they are changing the service to 120GB for the same
bucks per month. Not that big of a deal, but at least it isn't going to cost
us anything.
Part 2 to this story is a little more difficult to explain until I run some
tests, but there is a authentication service I can enable which basically
will force everyone to "login" to gain access.
There isn't any privacy issues involved, but it allows me to see who is using
how much of the service per month. The logic behind that is, it's not likely
the dial-up or telnet users that access news2 from the shell box are causing
any kind of problem with usage.
The usage (or the amount of it) is probably coming from the people on dsl or
cable broadband who are using ssh port forwarding via the shell box.
Although I don't care if they do, the problem is I have no way of
determining it and or who is doing it.
With enabling the authentication, besides getting the who is downloading how
much numbers, there is a way to cap their usage to a set amount, like 5 gigs
or something. Once they hit that, just them (they?) get locked out.
So it pretty much guarantees that there isn't a global system lockout again.
But it's likely the new limit of 120GB will fix the problem anyway, so I may
take a pass on setting any of this up for a while. There is a daily report I
get from them with estimations on this months usage, suppose if we are
beyond 60 gigs around the 1st of the month, which is the half way point for
the billing period, I can quickly get the authentication in place.

Bruce, if news2 logins are to be required, will news2 be available outside
Ripco? Also, will you send a notification when you enable logins?

Yet one more question, did you inquire about Giganews rolling over unused
bandwidth to the following month? This is a touchy area, but I think the
consumer has a right to unused bandwidth which has been already purchased. If
they don't provide rollover or refund, it's equivalent to a conversion--not
often supported legally. It sure isn't worth making a test case out of this,
though.